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		<title>By: Kathy Purdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Purdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Annie, it seems like where the redbud was originally grown makes a big difference. Now I don&#039;t feel so bad for being leery of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Annie, it seems like where the redbud was originally grown makes a big difference. Now I don&#8217;t feel so bad for being leery of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t mind some remarks from an IL-to-TX transplant, I know people who grew Cercis canadensis in the suburbs of Chicago ... make that &quot;tried to grow&quot;. Just as the trees would start to get some bulk, a bad winter would kill them to the ground and the process would start again. So they lived, but were large shrubs rather than trees. I don&#039;t think Chicago has had one of those winters in awhile, but we used to dip under -15ÂºF every 3 or 4 years, which usually meant farewell to that spring&#039;s Forsythia blossoms and dead trunks on winterkilled Redbuds.

From the late 1980&#039;s on, the Victory Garden on public TV inflicted even more zone envy on us Northern gardeners by repeatedly showing and planting the Cercis &#039;Forest Pansy&#039; cultivar, then blithely mentioning that it was hardy to zone 6.
 
Here in Austin, we plant Cercis canadensis texensis or Cercis canadensis mexicana, because it&#039;s too hot and alkaline for the Eastern Redbud. I&#039;ve planted Texas redbuds at both my houses, but had to have a &#039;Forest Pansy&#039; - now planted as an understory tree with afternoon shade from a Live Oak. 

Annie at the Transplantable Rose</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t mind some remarks from an IL-to-TX transplant, I know people who grew Cercis canadensis in the suburbs of Chicago &#8230; make that &#8220;tried to grow&#8221;. Just as the trees would start to get some bulk, a bad winter would kill them to the ground and the process would start again. So they lived, but were large shrubs rather than trees. I don&#8217;t think Chicago has had one of those winters in awhile, but we used to dip under -15ÂºF every 3 or 4 years, which usually meant farewell to that spring&#8217;s Forsythia blossoms and dead trunks on winterkilled Redbuds.</p>
<p>From the late 1980&#8242;s on, the Victory Garden on public TV inflicted even more zone envy on us Northern gardeners by repeatedly showing and planting the Cercis &#8216;Forest Pansy&#8217; cultivar, then blithely mentioning that it was hardy to zone 6.</p>
<p>Here in Austin, we plant Cercis canadensis texensis or Cercis canadensis mexicana, because it&#8217;s too hot and alkaline for the Eastern Redbud. I&#8217;ve planted Texas redbuds at both my houses, but had to have a &#8216;Forest Pansy&#8217; &#8211; now planted as an understory tree with afternoon shade from a Live Oak. </p>
<p>Annie at the Transplantable Rose</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Purdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Purdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig--On the book jacket it says of Don Selinger, one of the three authors of this book, &quot;since 1973 he has worked for Bailey Nurseries.&quot; The book is copyright 2001, so it is possible he no longer works there, but obviously he had the right kind of experience to contribute to the book. I will definitely start looking for the &quot;right kind&quot; of redbud. Anyone who knows of a mailorder source, please pipe up.

I have been growing &lt;em&gt;Cornus mas&lt;/em&gt; &#039;Spring Glow&#039; since 2001. This was the first year it really blossomed for me, and I believe it was later than my &#039;Meadowlark&#039; forsythia. I planted it up the hill, so it could be seen from the back of the house (2nd story), and it wasn&#039;t glowing enough for that. I did take pictures, but looking through my archives I see I never posted them. Maybe this winter? Anyway, I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve actually had a Zone 4 winter since I planted it (at least, not in terms of minimum temp), but we have had drought that possibly slowed it down. I&#039;d rate it as worth a gamble, but slow to come into its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig&#8211;On the book jacket it says of Don Selinger, one of the three authors of this book, &#8220;since 1973 he has worked for Bailey Nurseries.&#8221; The book is copyright 2001, so it is possible he no longer works there, but obviously he had the right kind of experience to contribute to the book. I will definitely start looking for the &#8220;right kind&#8221; of redbud. Anyone who knows of a mailorder source, please pipe up.</p>
<p>I have been growing <em>Cornus mas</em> &#8216;Spring Glow&#8217; since 2001. This was the first year it really blossomed for me, and I believe it was later than my &#8216;Meadowlark&#8217; forsythia. I planted it up the hill, so it could be seen from the back of the house (2nd story), and it wasn&#8217;t glowing enough for that. I did take pictures, but looking through my archives I see I never posted them. Maybe this winter? Anyway, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve actually had a Zone 4 winter since I planted it (at least, not in terms of minimum temp), but we have had drought that possibly slowed it down. I&#8217;d rate it as worth a gamble, but slow to come into its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bailey.virtual-services.net/presslib/summary/2495/0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cercis&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; originated from the University of Minnesota program and is zone 4 hardy. It was such a pretty thing when it flowered this year and Iâ€™m glad I bought it. It was grown by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baileynurseries.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bailey Nurseries&lt;/a&gt;, a wholesale grower based in Minnesota. Their specialty is woody plants and they often have the cold hardiest forms of many plants. You can browse their library &lt;a href=&quot;http://bailey.virtual-services.net/presslib&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Itâ€™s unfortunate their website doesnâ€™t list local dealers. 

I bought a &lt;em&gt;Cercis&lt;/em&gt; â€˜Forest Pansyâ€™ based on the positive report of an acquaintance. It is definitely not hardy. The purple leaf section above the graft died after its first winter and the rootstock, regular not-hardy &lt;em&gt;C. canadensis&lt;/em&gt;, acts as a herbaceous perennial and has come back from the roots the last two years. Its dichondra-shaped foliage is pretty and provides great contrast but it will never flower, gain size, or become woody. Having this book would have saved me from re-inventing the wheel.

I don&#039;t grow any of the taller or tree-like &lt;em&gt;Cornus&lt;/em&gt; but a friend in a zone 5 has &lt;em&gt;C. mas&lt;/em&gt;. It&#039;s brilliant yellow flowers were spectacular this year. Imagine the color of a Forsythia on a very upright small tree. I&#039;m sorely tempted but will have to look it up in the book!

Kathy: My â€œgoodâ€ &lt;em&gt;Cercis&lt;/em&gt; is in a nasty area. Its location is fully exposed: no nearby trees or buildings, full sun, and a constant winter wind. Spring or early summer are the recommended planting times but I, once again, planted mine in mid-fall. That it has succeeded owes more to the plantâ€™s toughness than my efforts. It really is a unique looking plant, looks boffo with other plants, and you should try it if you can find the hardy strain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My <em><a href="http://bailey.virtual-services.net/presslib/summary/2495/0" rel="nofollow">Cercis</a></em> originated from the University of Minnesota program and is zone 4 hardy. It was such a pretty thing when it flowered this year and Iâ€™m glad I bought it. It was grown by <a href="http://www.baileynurseries.com/" rel="nofollow">Bailey Nurseries</a>, a wholesale grower based in Minnesota. Their specialty is woody plants and they often have the cold hardiest forms of many plants. You can browse their library <a href="http://bailey.virtual-services.net/presslib" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Itâ€™s unfortunate their website doesnâ€™t list local dealers. </p>
<p>I bought a <em>Cercis</em> â€˜Forest Pansyâ€™ based on the positive report of an acquaintance. It is definitely not hardy. The purple leaf section above the graft died after its first winter and the rootstock, regular not-hardy <em>C. canadensis</em>, acts as a herbaceous perennial and has come back from the roots the last two years. Its dichondra-shaped foliage is pretty and provides great contrast but it will never flower, gain size, or become woody. Having this book would have saved me from re-inventing the wheel.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t grow any of the taller or tree-like <em>Cornus</em> but a friend in a zone 5 has <em>C. mas</em>. It&#8217;s brilliant yellow flowers were spectacular this year. Imagine the color of a Forsythia on a very upright small tree. I&#8217;m sorely tempted but will have to look it up in the book!</p>
<p>Kathy: My â€œgoodâ€ <em>Cercis</em> is in a nasty area. Its location is fully exposed: no nearby trees or buildings, full sun, and a constant winter wind. Spring or early summer are the recommended planting times but I, once again, planted mine in mid-fall. That it has succeeded owes more to the plantâ€™s toughness than my efforts. It really is a unique looking plant, looks boffo with other plants, and you should try it if you can find the hardy strain.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Purdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Purdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 18:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy: I will be the first to admit that winter hardiness in plants is actually quite complicated. On my country road, there is one &lt;em&gt;Cornus florida&lt;/em&gt; growing that I believe is growing wild, that is, not planted by humans. It does look like it&#039;s struggling, but it&#039;s there. When that tree blooms, I see scattered white-blooming trees along the interstate that I suspect are also the flowering dogwood growing wild. We seem to be at the northern limits of its range. And yet, a landscaping firm sold and planted a flowering dogwood for my neighbor and it didn&#039;t make it through one winter. It probably wasn&#039;t grown from local stock.

I confess I&#039;ve never tried growing a redbud. I&#039;ve heard of too many failures. Even in the book, they do say redbuds &quot;require a sheltered location in colder climates to reach their full potential.&quot; They list the straight species and &#039;Northland&#039; as hardy to -30F, and the white form as hardy to -25F. I have seen &lt;em&gt;Cornus florida&lt;/em&gt; rated that hardy in other sources as well. To me they are both marginally hardy, and I was trying to warn people that the authors were more willing to gamble than I was. I think if I found a source for either tree that were grown from northern stock, I&#039;d be sorely tempted, especially if I could figure out what was a sheltered location on my property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy: I will be the first to admit that winter hardiness in plants is actually quite complicated. On my country road, there is one <em>Cornus florida</em> growing that I believe is growing wild, that is, not planted by humans. It does look like it&#8217;s struggling, but it&#8217;s there. When that tree blooms, I see scattered white-blooming trees along the interstate that I suspect are also the flowering dogwood growing wild. We seem to be at the northern limits of its range. And yet, a landscaping firm sold and planted a flowering dogwood for my neighbor and it didn&#8217;t make it through one winter. It probably wasn&#8217;t grown from local stock.</p>
<p>I confess I&#8217;ve never tried growing a redbud. I&#8217;ve heard of too many failures. Even in the book, they do say redbuds &#8220;require a sheltered location in colder climates to reach their full potential.&#8221; They list the straight species and &#8216;Northland&#8217; as hardy to -30F, and the white form as hardy to -25F. I have seen <em>Cornus florida</em> rated that hardy in other sources as well. To me they are both marginally hardy, and I was trying to warn people that the authors were more willing to gamble than I was. I think if I found a source for either tree that were grown from northern stock, I&#8217;d be sorely tempted, especially if I could figure out what was a sheltered location on my property.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy: FYI - You mention the flowering dogwood as being approximately as hardy as the redwood. At least in Minnesota (where co-author Nancy Rose is located), the redbud has been growing successfully at the University of Minnesota Landscape Arboretum for probably 15-20 years, whereas they have never been able to establish a flowering dogwood. I suppose it depends on how exposed the location is, but there are redbuds that will grow (and flower) in zone 4a. However, neither is native to this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy: FYI &#8211; You mention the flowering dogwood as being approximately as hardy as the redwood. At least in Minnesota (where co-author Nancy Rose is located), the redbud has been growing successfully at the University of Minnesota Landscape Arboretum for probably 15-20 years, whereas they have never been able to establish a flowering dogwood. I suppose it depends on how exposed the location is, but there are redbuds that will grow (and flower) in zone 4a. However, neither is native to this area.</p>
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